Faculty Off The Clock - Featuring Mark Del Mastro

What happens when faculty step away from the classroom and the lab? In this episode of Faculty Off the Clock, we sit down with Associate Provost Mark Del Mastro to explore the passions, pursuits, and pastimes that shape their life beyond academia. From unexpected hobbies to meaningful side projects, discover a different side of the faculty you thought you knew. Produced by Michael Overholt.

Transcript

SPEAKER_01 0:07

We'd like to welcome you to this episode of Faculty Off the Clock, a podcast series hosted by the College of Charleston's Office of the Provost that highlights the personal and lighter sides of our campus's professors.

SPEAKER_00 0:19

I'm Mark Del Mastro, and I'm Chris Corey, Associate Provost, and your host of Faculty Off the Clock. To kick off this new series, we'll interview each other to set the tone and lay groundwork for future episodes featuring faculty from across campus.

SPEAKER_03 0:34

Look. If you had one shot, one opportunity. One moment. Just let it slip. Yo. His palms are sweaty, knees weak, arms and a heavy, his vomit on his thing.

SPEAKER_00 0:59

I know a little bit of your early story. Certainly uh I spent all my time here at the college, but you have a different path.

SPEAKER_01 1:07

Yeah, I do. I actually started at the Citadel, which I think um a lot of our colleagues on campus know. I was a uh PhD student at the University of Virginia, and I think I applied to 70 different positions across the country. I would have gone anywhere. I've got gone to North Dakota. I didn't care. I just wanted a job. And uh I was ABD at the time and um got a call from the the Citadel um in what was this sleepy, fairly well-known city at the time called Charleston, South Carolina. I didn't know a lot about, even though my maternal grandmother was from South Carolina, and so they flew me down, they wooed me. I was here for a Friday afternoon parade and thought, wow, this is really cool. And actually made me a verbal offer before I got in the plane and ended up spending 18 years there. Uh, was department chair of uh uh the modern languages department for my last four years of my career there. And during that last year, um I bumped into a colleague actually at the grocery store from the College of Charleston. He said, Hey, uh, were you aware we're doing this national search for the chair of Hispanic Studies? I'm like, no, I wasn't aware of it. He goes, Yeah, yeah, we're you know, we're still in the process and you know, kind of sifting through candidates and you know, the deadline hasn't passed yet. And I got home and I said, Wow, why don't I just you know give it a shot? I wouldn't have to move anywhere. And I was kind of getting antsy after 18 years, chairing the department four years, and here we are, over 14 years later, I'm at the College of Charleston. So um that's how that's how I ended up here. And uh certainly a decision I don't regret, but uh it's it's certainly been a an interesting and unexpected ride.

SPEAKER_00 2:48

And right, and you still have your your Citadel uniform.

SPEAKER_01 2:51

Oh yeah, I absolutely do. I have my uh Colonel Beret, yeah. I was I uh left there as a as a full colonel, which is the highest rank that uh faculty can get uh from my uh full professor uh status. So yeah. Maybe I'll show you one day. Nice. Although I don't think I could fit in the uniform anymore. Yeah, no.

SPEAKER_00 3:13

So you know, you told us a little bit about how you you got here on campus um after your PhD, but you maybe we could talk a little bit more about where you're from uh and you know where you spent your your uh early formative years. Sure.

SPEAKER_01 3:27

Uh I expect my um accent gives it away a little bit, even though it's probably been um moderated for all the time here, but I know it hasn't gone away. I was raised in in northern New Jersey. Um, but I was actually born in Bowling Green, Kentucky. My uh parents were undergraduates there and met uh my dad from northern New Jersey, my mother from uh Ohio, and uh they fell in love there. I always joke with them, although that's not always well received by my parents, that I was the oops Valentine's baby. And uh uh I lived one year of my life in Bowling Green, and then uh they moved uh to my dad's hometown in Wayne, New Jersey, where where I was raised in in Pekanic and West Milford. And so um so yeah, I'm a I'm a I'm a Jersey kid. That's where I I was born, and mainly uh with contact with my father's side of the family, which is Italian American, hence the the Del Master last name, too.

SPEAKER_00 4:26

So I know you um you wrestled, um, but I don't know if you want to talk about that or other kinds of activities.

SPEAKER_01 4:32

Yeah, you know, that was a that was a late-coming activity, although it was it was it was a a sport I was always very interested in, but my dad was uh so motivated on focusing on our academic success that it was always a a very difficult navigation to try to convince him to let us do anything that wasn't uh academically oriented. So the wrestling didn't actually come until um until uh high school. But as a kid, really, you know, activity-wise, I mean I I did in middle school, I I I actually did um track and field, and I did the mile, and I was the slowest kid on the on the track. So um whenever we'd have these track meets, they would it was always so humiliating, they would always be starting the next race before I ever finished. And there'd be a couple straggler fans, like my parents, like, Oh Yay, Mark, hurry up, cross the finish line, as they were already starting the next race. So, you know, that was that was one activity in middle school. And and you know, besides that, I I uh I had a paper route, so that kept me kept me busy. I think most kids in the in the 70s had a had a paper root at one point.

SPEAKER_00 5:39

Paper root with the bicycle?

SPEAKER_01 5:41

Oh yeah. Yeah, have the canvas bag and system of you know those banana bars wrapped and and bound well, and uh I was I was uh I was pretty I was pretty nimble at the paper route.

SPEAKER_00 5:56

You'd get it all the way to the door from the street.

SPEAKER_01 5:57

Oh yeah. Yeah, I never throw it because you don't want to damage property, right? So uh yeah, I would get off the bike. You would never throw it? No, ever. I would deliver it hand right to the front stoop. Definitely not. My customers appreciated that.

SPEAKER_00 6:12

So growing up in New Jersey, Jersey Shore favorite vacation spot? That's it. Absolutely. Only there.

SPEAKER_01 6:17

Only there. I mean, yeah. I mean, I think anybody who is from New Jersey that says otherwise is you know, maybe not from New Jersey or they just haven't been enlightened. But yeah, that's an answer that you have to have. I mean, that's part of growing up in New Jersey. It has to be the Jersey Shore.

SPEAKER_02 6:33

But honestly, yeah, that was that was absolutely the favorite uh, let's probably if you want to have money, do something. If you want to have money, do something. Let's probably do something, if you want to do something, we know I'm gonna be able to do that.

SPEAKER_00 6:53

Um and so, you know, in terms of a well, you you know, you have your job as a as a paper route. Um does you have any other jobs that are.

SPEAKER_01 7:02

Yeah, oh god, I had to the paper job was actually a very enjoyable job. I think, you know, so far as bad jobs, uh I think there's there's two that come to mind. One when I was an undergraduate high school, I worked for the Union Camp Corporate Headquarters in Wayne, New Jersey, and I was the vacation fill-in guy. So that means any employee that took vacation, so that was mailroom, um maintenance or security, I would fill in for them. So the the and they were all fine except for the maintenance job. So what they would do intentionally is wait for the most undesirable jobs to come up in the summer so that the college kid could do them. And the worst that I did is they would always turn down the boilers in the summer. And they would open them up for cleaning, and of course, they have a very narrow long tube in the middle. And I was the kid they sent in there, would crawl in there in the boiler room and scrape the hole inside with a wire brush. So anybody is claustrophobic, which I'm not, you know, could not handle. So I would be in there, you know, just crawling on my back and it's like you were a chimney sweep. You know, you didn't no, you didn't wear a mask, so you're breathing in all this dust. And they just loved it because I would never say no to any job that they would ask me to do. But that was the worst. Yeah, that and then in graduate school, oh, that was another miserable job. So you've ever heard of the Continental Bread Company? You know, they make Wonder Bread, etc., hostess cakes. Well, they have a distribution center in Charlottesville, Virginia, where I did my PhD. And um, you know, as a TA you get some money, but you know it's really not a lot. And so, you know, I needed to get supplemental income. And so one summer I got this job um working for the Continental Bread Company Distribution Center, and it entailed um the hours of two in the morning to seven in the morning. And I would get there and I'll never forget his name. His my my boss was named Russ. Now Russ's English was completely you couldn't you couldn't understand a word he said. I mean, he was from the the the the hills in in in Virginia. Nicest guy in the world. But at two in the morning he would bark orders out at me, and I didn't know what he was saying. And I had to load all of the delivery trucks for the different delivery drivers, and they would get so angry at me because they thought, first of all, I was stupid because I couldn't learn the different organizations, because they all had different orders of the breads and the cakes that had to be on the trucks, and I would always do it wrong. So I was being yelled at consistently from two in the morning to seven in the morning. It was the most humiliating experience of my life. Yeah, kind of bread company. That that job lasted for about a month. It was awful.

SPEAKER_00 10:00

There you go. Um so you know, I like like you, we have uh have uh you have a few dogs, but growing up, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 10:09

First first pet was um a basset hound, Wendy. And my dad, my my dad was a lover of animals, and so um when I was very young, our our my first dog was was Wendy, the basset hound. Great dog.

SPEAKER_00 10:21

So you didn't play risk, which is unfortunate. We need to get a board for the provost office. No. So did you have uh favorite game growing up?

SPEAKER_01 10:28

This is a this is a great question. I'm not a board game guy at all. I don't like board games. I don't like besides athletic um types of sport activities, I'm not a game guy. And I think I know the reason. Oh, yeah, you can't. So my my family is fiercely competitive. And even with board games. So whenever a board game would come out in the family growing up in the 70s, it was just cutthroat. And I hated that experience. So so even today, the running joke in my family with my three daughters is don't ask Dad to play a board game because he's not gonna play. Yeah. I I just will not play it. But what I did play growing up with with my friends is we did a lot of sandlot football. So in Bequarnock, New Jersey, we lived behind actually the field of my grammar school. It was a huge field. And so we would play at least two days a week. We'd play football with a bunch of kids. That was that was our game. Yeah. Sandlot.

SPEAKER_00 11:24

Uh well, we've we've heard about your um your prowess in the spelling. Ah, yes. In the previous episode, are there other things in in your childhood uh grammar school years that you'd like to tell us about that might be funny?

SPEAKER_01 11:37

Um yeah, I mean, I was a so I was on the I was in the middle school paper newspaper. I was a writer for the paper. That's kind of a funny story. I went with my friend who was, they would have tryouts, and the tryouts consisted of going after school to this room where the faculty advisor the newspaper was, and they would give you a task, right? It would usually be some type of fake storyline that you would have to expand on in a period of 30 minutes. So I went with my friend, he's like, Look, can you wait for me before we go home? I gotta do this tryout. And he goes, he goes, Well, why don't you do it? I didn't have any plans on doing it. I'm like, sure, why not? And I did it and I made the paper. So um, so yeah, I was I I was a writer for the middle school paper. What was your beat? Oh, everything and anything. I mean, I did sports to you know, different club events, etc. It was basically what they handed you. So it wasn't any specific area. No, no, we didn't uh we kind of stuck to the news that was fit to friend. And the other thing I think, you know, growing up, my my dad I said my dad was a lover of of animals, but um he he raised show rabbits. My dad loved animals, so one of his hobbies for, oh gosh, a couple of decades was he raised show rabbits. And so, of course, we had to help with feeding and watering them and cleaning the rabbit coops. We would go to rabbit shows with him. And, you know, fun fact is he during his prime was considered one of the um, you know, more recognized uh show rabbit breeders in the world. So it's like Westminster, like for rabbits? Yeah, it was a new play on like a leash and they got a rabbit club, and then there's a national convention of rabbits where there's just hundreds of breeds and they they show them they have different standards, and then towards the end of his career he was a he was a judge of of rabbits. So I I uh of course um had no choice but to um help with become an expert in rabbits. Yeah, although I never took a liking to them because rabbits, here's a fun fact about rabbits. I don't know if you ever had a rabbit as a pet, but you have to handle them every day because they revert to being wild, and if you don't handle them every day, they will bite you. Kind of like the hamsters. Why I asked you about the hamsters during your interview. Yeah. So anyway.

SPEAKER_00 13:51

Yeah. Um from middle school newspaper to in high school, anything?

SPEAKER_01 13:59

Yeah, I I was, you know, I took a liking to the paper from, you know, that that unintended stint in in middle school. So I served on the paper all four years and was one of the chief editors my senior year of the Emerald, which was the newspaper of of my high school. Um But the other fun fact um that might be of interest is that um so my dad who was, you know, I always got pulled into these activities because of his love of animals. So in high school he decided that uh in addition to raising rabbits, he wanted to raise goats. So I was the kid in northern New Jersey that um before catching the bus to high school, I was milking goats every morning. Milking goats. You know, you ever milk goats?

SPEAKER_00 14:42

Uh you know, funnily enough, uh no. Yeah but I have been to a goat farm and other interesting.

SPEAKER_01 14:53

Yeah, no, no, no. I I can look bringing a cow right now and milk it. Yeah, no, no. It's a skill. That's that's a skill.

SPEAKER_00 15:02

Definitely. Um so you were a wake forest demon deacon? I was, yeah, yeah. Um and um you know, things that that you'd like to share about your undergraduate years?

SPEAKER_01 15:13

So I didn't do the newspaper. I was kind of tired of it by then, but what I did get into, I did for four years. I was actually a DJ. Um, this is a funny story. Uh so and how did that come about? I didn't plan on being a DJ. Remember, so Wake Forest had this, had its own radio station that was an A.M. radio station that was 5 30 a.m. But it was electrical current. It wasn't on the airwaves. It means that the only way you could listen to it is if you plugged in your radio into the electric current on campus. So you couldn't listen to it off campus. It was really archaic. So anyway, I was listening one night and there was this guy who had this RB radio station. I thought it was horrible, and I thought he was a horrible DJ. So I actually called in and said, dude, what are you even doing being a DJ? I mean, you really stink. I had some. I mean, I yeah, I I I really was um brash. And anyway, he he was actually very kind about it. He said, you know, why don't you um I'd love for you to come in and join me for one of my shows. In fact, you can help me. I'm like, oh, okay. So I went in and he actually taught me the whole, you know, DJ craft, which was, you know, you actually had vinyls and you had to cue them, et cetera.

SPEAKER_00 16:23

And so that started, you know, my DJing for the R. Did you have like uh is it like smooth jazz with Mark Del Mastro?

SPEAKER_01 16:30

Oh no, it was RB and rap. Yeah, those were my wheelhouse? Yeah, those were my and you know, I think it we were lucky if we had two or three listeners any night because it's you know no one listened to it because it was on the electric current. And uh I think the people in the cafeteria were probably the biggest listeners. So this is probably the most late 80s? So this is between eight 1984 and 88.

SPEAKER_00 16:51

Uh so that's like very beginning of like rap. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yep. Yeah. All right. So uh well, we've heard about your um your experience loading brain. Oh, undergraduate years, too.

SPEAKER_01 17:03

Another fun fact I tutored athletes. And I also tutored Muggsy Boges.

SPEAKER_00 17:08

Mugsy Boges. Mugsy Boges, that was quite experienced.

SPEAKER_01 17:11

Yeah, that's a whole nother podcast. But uh I met him and um tutored him in Spanish. That was quite an experience. Not the easiest student in the world, but great. No, Muggs Muggsy, I think from that experience, decided to detach from me. He didn't give you the number. No, no more Muggsy. Not texting Muggsy in the middle of the night.

SPEAKER_00 17:29

No, sir. Uh so uh one you know, I guess the last bit of your your history before we get to your off the clock. Um anything to add to your graduate school years other than loading pastries?

SPEAKER_01 17:43

Oh yeah. So y you know, I mean, uh most of our our particularly our colleagues know the the demands of of graduate school, and and so it's always healthy to have some type of diversion. And I'm very goal-oriented. So um I had been, you know, uh lifted weights since I was 14, and I said, you know, I need to have a goal. So I I had made the decision that I was actually going to train for a bodybuilding competition. So um it was the Colonial States Bodybuilding Competition on, I think it was November 3rd of 1919. So I started training for, I mean, I'd been lifting, you know, forever, but decided to really diet and prepare for it starting uh in the fall of 1989 and actually um did that. It was a good diversion from from graduate studies and had a bunch of professors, my professors and fellow grad students who went to cheer me on. Get out of here. Oh yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 18:35

So you're like you the fake tan, you oiled up.

SPEAKER_01 18:40

I feel like I need to see pictures. No, it's quite an experience. I wouldn't do it again just because it's you know, between the dieting and training, it's just so time consuming. But um, yeah, that's my fun fact.

SPEAKER_00 18:56

But yeah. All right. So now we're to your you know, you spent a lot of time on curriculum and policy in in the provost's office. So is in the time that you you have outside of of your work here, what's your what's your current off-the-clock uh interests about activity?

SPEAKER_01 19:15

Like you, I love to exercise. So, you know, my thing is um lifting weights. So I've had I've had a home gym actually since um 1999. I set it up in my garage back then, and and during the the pandemic, I kind of you know, it was an opportunity to bolster the equipment. So I've got a nice setup in there that that actually my my daughters and my wife use. And um, you know, every morning before coming to work, um I go out there and train with my wife. And so that's my that's my big off-the-clock activity. Then the weekend I love to consume myself with landscaping. Love planting, love trimming, mowing the lawn, um that's a putting up fences, like I'm gonna do it. Putting up fences. There's a lot I need to learn from you about all that. Yeah, no, I I I really enjoy that. It's a great outlet. So, yep.

SPEAKER_00 20:01

So if if you weren't uh guiding guiding the curriculum and policy of of the College of Charleston, what you would you be doing? That's a good question.

SPEAKER_01 20:11

Um you know I have no idea. Um Pitmaster, I feel like Yeah, I mean I love I yeah, I l I love I love barbecuing, I love smoking meat, but you know, to make a profession out of that's you know a lot of competition out there. You know, I love landscaping. I mean, you know, probably in an alternate life I wouldn't mind you know running a landscaping business. I love it. You know, the completion of it, mowing a lawn, you know, there's a monotony to it, it's it's it's it's like it's a form of meditation, you know. Yeah, you like my dad.

SPEAKER_00 20:40

Fun fact about my dad was that the he didn't have a weed whacker, like the thing that's a weed whackers are marvelous. He didn't have the edger, he would do it by hand with scissors. He would edge the lawn, the entire lawn. I like the economic by hand with the scissors. No, no, no. I feel like that I feel like you might you could get it. No, no, no.

SPEAKER_01 20:58

I like that I like the power tools to facilitate it. Yes. Wow, okay. Yeah, that's true.

SPEAKER_00 21:04

Well, you never know. Yeah. All right, we're into the lightning round. Okay, here we go. Uh let's see. Well, now I'm gonna ask you what activity you do most to avoid.

SPEAKER_01 21:20

Oh, well, when I taught, you know, I haven't taught since 2019 before I moved to provost office. Uh and I'm probably not alone among among a lot of faculty, but uh grading papers can be just you know one of those activities that uh you know is is just hard to get motivated to do. You know, that was that was now I don't I don't know. You know, I try to I try to take a you know a positive spin to most to most of what I do. But um but yeah, when I was teaching, it was you know grading papers was uh favorite activity.

SPEAKER_00 21:52

All right, but I think the the office knows you to be extremely frugal. Yes um the maximum amount of money you would be willing to. Physically responsible. Not a pair of shoes.

SPEAKER_01 22:02

Oh, they got to be on sale. I mean, that's this funny story. I was at Tanger because I needed some I needed some um athletic shoes. So at the outlet and so this is a funny story. I went to I you know I haven't been there in a while. I went to Rack Room. You know, they used to have the BOGO all the time and everything. And so there's this long line. I got my shoes, right? I got these these these two two athletic shoes for lifting weights, and I get all the way up there. And the guy runs the bill and he says, it's this and that. I said, Well, what about the BOGO offer? He goes, uh, it's only BOGO on those shoes that are marked. I'm like, what? I said, I'm out. I left the shoes and I left. I was so angry. I mean, they always used to be BOGO. I mean, so yeah, it has to be on sales. I mean, in fact, you know, uh I most always buy my my sneakers at Costco. You know, they'll have those clearance, you can get them for like under 30 bucks. That's a good deal. So yeah, no, I'm very although I am picky about shoe wear. I mean, you know, your your your feet have to have good support. I don't get cheap shoes, but it feels like you do. Well, I'm really out for the sale. You gotta, you gotta have you gotta have good shoes, but I'm not, you know. Yeah. It's gotta be on sale. Key can't be on sale. No.

SPEAKER_00 23:04

And BOGO is really the big lure for me. You would you'd be disappointed with me. So we won't do that activity together. No. Um Well, I guess we'll we'll hit your barbecue, your barbecue, um, your favorite kind of barbecue sauce?

SPEAKER_01 23:20

I think it depends where I I mean I like it all, actually. You know, I like mustard, like vinegar, like tomato based. Depends on where I am, what's being served, you know. I went the first time I ever had Southern Barbecue was when I was an undergrad in Winston-Salem, and there's the red-based sauce. So I was fine with that. Of course, Charleston tends to be a little bit more on the mustard side, and of course, East North Carolina is a vinegar based. I love it all. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 23:41

Yeah. All right. You went with toothpaste. Um, toilet paper, uh paper over the top or from under the bottom?

SPEAKER_01 23:47

Oh no, over the top. I always found that under the bottom it has a tendency to just unravel, particularly if you you know you have someone who is not real careful with you know the the use of the toilet paper, and you go in there and if it's under, you know, you have a real pile of unraveled toilet paper on the floor. That's not good. That's a that's in fact I will, even if I'm a guest at someone's house, if I see that around. Oh, yeah, I'll flip it for them.

SPEAKER_00 24:11

That's very problematic for me.

SPEAKER_01 24:13

Yep.

SPEAKER_00 24:14

Okay, that's the uh orange juice. Like you know, you're frugal. So when I was growing up, my mom would always get the frozen orange juice concentrated. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah, my word in there. Do you feel like uh would you be willing to go that cheap, or you gotta go with the fresh squeeze now?

SPEAKER_01 24:30

I don't drink orange juice, so I mean there's gotta be some indication from the source that there's real juice in there. Yeah, right? As opposed to like Kool-Aid or something where it's just a sugar concoction. But you know, even if it says 50% fruit juice, I'm good with it. You know, it doesn't have to be fresh squeezed. The concentrate's fine. I mean, usually they're a percentage of real juice. I'm gonna I'm good with that. But it's too sweet for me. I'm not an orange juice guy. Yeah, I think I have water. Yeah, I feel like.

SPEAKER_00 25:03

Or if I had like a set of things that I'd because my my my dad and mom are fairly frugal like you. So like I had to have the softest toilet paper. That's all I buy. Orange juice only freshly squeezed, not from concentrated. Like, you know, just these things I was subjected to. Only real ice cream, not ice milk.

SPEAKER_01 25:21

Yeah, I want to interject here because I feel very strongly about this. You know, you referred to the to the toilet paper, and then you made an allusion to the toothpaste, but you didn't let me respond. Okay, I have very strong feelings about the toothpaste. This is another pet peeve of mine. You know, if you you gotta get your bang for the buck out of the toothpaste tube, and in order to do that, there's only one method of dispensing the toothpaste. And your counter edge is your friend. What? Yes, you start with the bottom, you hold the bottom of that toothpaste tube, and you always slide, and you always slide, and so when you get into the top, you can get every little bit of toothpaste. And depending upon my mood, and it really is a mood thing, if I'm at the end of a toothpaste tube where I have just squeezed with all my glass bit, if I'm in a mood, I will actually cut the top. I was gonna say that you're cutting it off. I can get two more brushes out of it. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 26:18

Anyway, I just wanted to add that. That's good. That's good. All right, we'll come down to the end here. So uh, right, we I uh the popcorn, I know we've talked about whirly pop, but I feel like you may not always be able to do that. You deserve all the credit.

SPEAKER_01 26:29

I mean, you you were the one that convinced me to get a whirly pop, and in fact, my my because of that, I planted the seed with my with my family and they got me one for Christmas. It is amazing. There's no question, I think it's some of the best popcorn. And from a frugal guy's perspective, it is very good with getting all of the kernels. It drives me nuts when you, you know, pop popcorn and you have a significant amount of unpopped kernels at the bottom. I mean, that could be a whole nother bowl. Totally. In my view, you know. Uh and we won't get into how I address that. I mean, you could probably surmise how I put it back in the container next time.

SPEAKER_00 27:03

You give them another, you give them another shot at life. Yeah. Uh so do you eat the half pops? I used to, but I don't.

SPEAKER_01 27:11

Well, I yeah, I you know, at my age, I gotta be careful with my with my with my teeth. And they they tend to be a little bit more prone to cracking, so uh no, I don't know. No, no, no, no, no.

SPEAKER_00 27:23

Alright, we'll end with uh, you know, you're you're walking out to your you know your Hall of Fame induction. What's your um what's your entrance song?

SPEAKER_01 27:31

That's a great question. I mean, you know, I mean when I do I used to run 5K's and I gotta get back into my my knee was bothering me. But you know, one of those motivational songs, and if you know if it were an event, which will never happen whatever reason I was considered a similar walk out, like WWA M M, lose yourself. Oh. That was gonna be I that was on my list. I mean, what more song is is more motivating? Yeah, it is good. Uh uh, it's on my list before I race, so that's a good one.

SPEAKER_00 27:59

Yep. Nice. Well, Dr. Del Mastro, thanks so much for sharing today about your time off the clock and for giving listeners an alternate glimpse into your life outside the classroom. We really appreciate it. Uh stay tuned for next month's installment when we'll learn more about the life off the clock of uh another College of Charleston professor. Thank you, Dr. Cory.