Faculty Off The Clock - Featuring David Wyman

What happens when faculty step away from the classroom and the lab? In this episode of Faculty Off the Clock, we sit down with Professor David Wyman to explore the passions, pursuits, and pastimes that shape their life beyond academia. From unexpected hobbies to meaningful side projects, discover a different side of the faculty you thought you knew. 

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🎙️ Produced by Michael Overholt

📍 Recorded in Podcast Studio #1, Addlestone Library

Transcript

SPEAKER_02 0:08

We welcome you to this episode of Faculty Off the Clock, a podcast series hosted by the College of Charleston's Office of the Provost that highlights the personal and lighter sides of our campus's professors.

SPEAKER_03 0:19

I'm Mark Del Mastro, and I'm Chris Corey, Associate Provost, and your host for Faculty Off the Clock. For this episode, we welcome Professor David Wyman, Associate Professor of Entrepreneurship, Director of the Center for Entrepreneurship and Associate Chair of Management and Marketing.

SPEAKER_01 0:48

Hey guys, I'm excited to be here. Thank you.

SPEAKER_03 0:51

Well, Dr. Wyman, uh, we start off, although we're not really uh focused on your life here at the CFC, we did want to get a sense of how you ended up here at the College of Charleston.

SPEAKER_01 1:01

So if I go back to the real quick origins, uh originally um I was a toy inventor. So I designed toys and games. I did that for many, many years after college. And then one day I got taken to Colorado and fell in love with Colorado, and so I ended up living, moving to Colorado. I got married, moving to Colorado. And in Colorado what I discovered was um there were no toy companies there, there were no um toy mentors, no designers or anything like that in those days. So I decided to do something crazy different, and so I spent a year teaching junior high and senior high. And um when I came out of that program, it was called Project Promise, where they took uh executive professionals and put them into teaching. And I discovered I had a love of teaching, I ended up teaching in Colorado State, and from there I moved to University of San Diego, which was fantastic. And then you know, a little step sidestep. I ended up in Clemson for six years. And somewhere along those years I picked up a PhD and in 2013 I got um hired here to be the director of the Center for Entrepreneurship. So it's been twelve glorious years.

SPEAKER_02 2:10

Well, we're we're certainly gonna have to explore a little later your toy and game design, because that's extremely intriguing. Um but before we get into your off-campus diversions uh and interest in hobbies, tell us a little bit about your life. Where are you originally from, born and raised?

SPEAKER_01 2:26

Yeah, so I'm a I'm a half and off. So I was born in England and as a little kid my parents immigrated to the States. So I grew up in Washington, DC, mostly, um, which was uh a great place to grow up, except for our baseball team lost all the games and they ended up ended up moving to Texas.

SPEAKER_02 2:43

Do you like baseball being from the UK?

SPEAKER_01 2:46

Well I did in those days because I considered myself American. Okay. Because you know I was you know came up as a little kid over here. Sure. And then um after that, um so I moved around uh my parents lived in Washington and Baltimore, and then when I was sixteen, they sent me back to boarding school in England. And um and then I came over one year and they asked me, Do you have a green card? So I showed it to the guy. And then after section twelve forty seven B, they took it away. And from those days onwards I considered myself English. And uh so I ended up being a good English guy, went to a lot of the pubs, married an English girl, you know, went to college there, all the formative stuff in England. And then uh 20 years later, I ended up moving to the States. Uh, I met a uh this uh lawyer, my dad actually was living in the States at the time, he set me up with this lawyer, and the guy goes, You're American. I said, I am. I'm delighted to be how that and what he did was he's he um basically he said that as you um your parents were naturalized American citizens when you were a minor, so that makes you an American citizen. But I've never tried tried to get this twenty five years later. And uh so and I ended up having to ha an interview which was sign this paper. I signed this paper. I said, I'm supposed to go back to England in two days, which I do. And she took my British passport, grabbed out my immigration pass, and uh said, Go get an American passport. And so I did the next day in Stanford, Connecticut. It was a little bit easier, I think, those days these days. Yeah, and that was 1993, and within three months I'd moved back to uh the States and I've been here ever since. That's a great story.

SPEAKER_03 4:34

So uh growing up as a kid in DC, did you you have an uh interest like uh that you like to do?

SPEAKER_01 4:41

Yeah, so I was a total American kid in those days, so I loved all sports. Um I my brother had a newspaper route and I was five years younger. It's a recurring thing. Everyone has a newspaper route. Yeah, tough luck on the kids today. No newspapers. And so what he would do is on s uh Sundays, he would ask me to help deliver it because the Washington Post was such a big newspaper. And uh so I was like five years old, but I was totally sports crazy. So what I would do is um I would do it for free, which was a bad bargain as an entrepreneur. And I would do it for free as long as he let me read the sports section first. You know, and so that was you know so I was tired. That was the deal. That was the deal.

SPEAKER_02 5:25

Did you have a uh vac uh did you d do vacations when you were growing up? And if so, did you have a favorite location?

SPEAKER_01 5:31

Well, my parents had a tough time initially, you know. So um when they first came over, my dad um I remember is when I was three, four years old, he ran a gas station, you know, just outside of uh DC. And that was terrible. Um he lost money all the time because whenever he didn't turn up to work, all of a sudden the um all the guys took the money, you know. So it was very uh not a not a salubrious business. Okay. And um but he made his way up all through the thing. So on vacations, we mostly stayed in state and just went to um Ocean City, which is on the coast. Brilliant place. Yeah, wonderful. Yeah, fantastic as a little kid.

SPEAKER_03 6:12

Yeah. Uh so you you talked about uh working the paper out with your brother. That was um other memorable jobs you had as a kid growing up?

SPEAKER_01 6:20

Uh I also um when I was about twelve years old, um he gave me his lawn cutting route. So I so I mowed lawns and everything like that. Um so that was great. When I was 15, I had my first formal job, you know, which was wonderful Baskin Robbins at a buck thirty five an hour. Free ice cream? Uh 31 ice creams, yeah. What was your favorite? Oh, I'm definitely pralines and creams. Okay. You know, every every time I finished the job, you know, uh I'd make myself a pralines and cream milkshake. And that was You never got sick of it, huh? I only worked there for a year or so. Okay. So but it was it was great fun. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. So um we have a dog. Um his name is Murphy. Uh I guess it's like Murphy's Law. You know, if he can do anything wrong, he does. But he's now he's now fifteen years old, so he's he's really slowed down.

SPEAKER_02 7:16

Aaron Powell Do you ha did you have a pet growing up?

SPEAKER_01 7:18

We had a German Shepherd dog.

SPEAKER_02 7:20

Oh, they're wonderful animals.

SPEAKER_01 7:22

Just one? Uh well, one time we had 10, but that was because of nine puppies.

SPEAKER_03 7:27

You know. So game designer and and uh toy designer, did you have like a favorite board game or something that inspired you?

SPEAKER_01 7:37

Um well as a little kid, uh we all I loved all games. You know, so I loved Game of Life, Monopoly, Risk was uh dearing favorite. Um but no more inordinate amount of games. So I did not do Dungeons and Dragons DD or any of those things.

SPEAKER_02 7:57

Were these family activities or did you do them with your friends?

SPEAKER_01 8:00

Oh, this is all just friends. Okay. When you played Risk, did you have a a certain part of the board you like to start on? No, but we um you know one of the things that we always did was we always modified the rules because if you look at a lot of these traditional games like Monopoly or Risk, they take too long. They sure do. So we would have RISC nights where you would play Risk till two o'clock in the morning. And later in life, we might have some other um celebrations with it. So we had games modified the rules to make it so you could all get it over and done with within 25 minutes.

SPEAKER_03 8:35

Oh, I'd like that so a previous guest brought us a 1980s version of RISC. So maybe we could get that accelerated rule so we could play in the office.

SPEAKER_02 8:46

We're gonna focus a little bit on your childhood grammar school years that you had referenced before, Dave. And we're hoping you could share with us a fun fact from your from those school uh grammar school years and and what you think might be amusing to our guests.

SPEAKER_01 9:02

Well, I d I don't know if this is amusing, but I I think what's kind of interesting is if you take my first year at school, I was in first grade in uh Carrollton, Maryland, you know, which is just outside DC. And if you think back about it, I remember going in in the first couple weeks of class, we would all do drills where, you know, we were all worried about getting bombed by the Russians. And so we would all have to put our heads underneath our the desks, you know, and stay there for a minute or two minutes. You guys are too young for that. But it was, you know, the idea that somehow you could be saved from a nuclear bomb by putting your head underneath the desk is very much uh Yeah, my dad used to tell me those stories and said it was it was terrifying, you know, because he th really thought it was it was gonna happen.

SPEAKER_03 9:48

Yeah. It was. With that textbook on your head, that's extra protection. Oh yeah, absolutely. Bullproof.

SPEAKER_02 10:19

Same fun fact question from your high school years.

SPEAKER_01 10:22

Uh from my high school years, um so um when I was sixteen, I was um uh my parents were moving from Maryland to Connecticut, so they gave me a choice. You can either move to Connecticut or you can go to boarding school. And my mom was a big uh Anglophile, so it was pretty obvious that I should go to boarding school. And um so I went to boarding school in a place called Taunton in Somerset, which is the west side of England. And what was kind of cool was in England, um, you know, to be able to have uh a drink or anything like that, you just have to look like you're 18. You don't you don't, you know, there's none of the 21 or anything like that. And so when we were in school, we would all uh not all of us, but a small group, we would uh at eight o'clock they have a recession from when you do your homework. And so we'd go off to this one pub and you have to go across the railway tracks around the corner and everything like that. And the headmaster and his people had tried to bust the pub with against students a number of times. So they were banned from the pub. And so in those days, uh a a pint was 17p. So you would take 50 P and or 52 P and you'd either have to lend somebody a penny or borrow, you know, or or um borrow a penny so that you could have three pints before going back to uh assembly at 9 30. It's a little bit different from most American. Oh yeah, no, I love pop culture in the UK and you know, and uh and actually what's also fairly interesting, you know, I uh it's not like I drink a lot or anything like that, but was when I um was at college, you know, in the very first week of college, um what we did was the dean invited all of us over to actually have um you know gin and tonics or beers and like different time. You know, very different time. And when I played rugby um at um so I played uh first team rugby for my high school team. And when I played rugby, you know, one day I got somehow blessed to score a try or whatever, you know, which is like a touchdown. And when you score a touchdown, if you're the two of us got invited back to the Masters Common Room where we were all shared a couple pints with them. You know, so it's a very different society, you know, very much more at ease with uh alcohol and everything like that. Um I don't know that the Brits have any higher alcoholism rate or anything like that from there. It's just a different society. How long did you play rugby for? Okay. So I played rugby all through uh high school and college. Wow, and uh loved it. Uh you know, and then uh I tried to play one time in the States. I looked at playing. I was in Colorado. I thought, oh, I'll go play. And then I saw all the rugby players were all ex-American football players.

SPEAKER_02 13:00

They're a little on the big side. So they're all six foot five.

SPEAKER_01 13:05

I was like 32 years old at the time. I don't think so. What position did you play? So I played um winger, which is uh sort of the I was a slow, fast guy on the outside. Okay. You know, and then I also played a position, my favorite position was fullback, and that's the person whose last line of defense, so you get to kick the ball and run the ball and everything like that. Oh wow. Yeah, so it was a lot of fun. Great game.

SPEAKER_03 13:30

Great game. Well, you you talked about going to the pub uh playing playing rugby as an undergraduate, other like where you went as an undergrad and sort of other interesting stories from that time.

SPEAKER_01 13:41

Yeah, so um so in England w in those days, I went to Cambridge, so I was at Queen's College, Cambridge. But when you go to Cambridge in those days, you took what they call a a gap year. So you apply and you do um you come back for one semester where you have to take these special exams to get into Cambridge or Oxford, and then for the next nine months, you know, you have to get a job. So what was kind of different is so I I looked at jobs and I ended up uh there's two jobs available in England in those days. One was as a bakery assistant. Uh-huh. I don't know about that one. But the other one was sounding like, oh, this is sounds like fun. And it was as a croupier, uh dealing roulette and blackjack. Uh-huh. So I spent uh uh you know basically nine months and then one summer you know as a croupier. So I dealt roulette and blackjack on the south coast of England at a casino.

SPEAKER_03 14:33

Oh, wonderful.

unknown 14:34

Huh.

SPEAKER_03 14:34

So do you do you um do you also like to play those now that you were on the other side of the table?

SPEAKER_01 14:40

Uh that that's a great question. I do not have to. No more casinos, huh? You know, I I loved my job as a croupier. Yeah. Absolutely adored it. And you know, it was kind of I was always pretty mathematical as a kid. So when you have, you know, 17 times 12 plus, you know, nine times 35, I was pretty quick at doing that. So that was fun. So I uh the whole idea as a croupier is keep the customers fat satisfied, smile at them a lot, and then just make it go as quick as possible. So they you know, the more bets they can do in an hour. And uh so I actually you know got to know lots of people. We um but like we had one guy, Monty, who owned six closing stores in South England and um he won d drove a Rolls-Royce, you know, all the accruants when he'd come in, his wife you know had furs on and everything like that in southern England. So it was you know, this is mid-70s, so it was kind of really out of uh you know, very in keeping in those times. But you know, the following summer, by the end of my nine months, he was down to one store and lost the Rolls-Royce from because from gambling. Wow. Yeah, so and then he um I went off to Cambridge, he stopped gambling, and then I came back the following summer. And about two months later, maybe six weeks later, all of a sudden Monty was back. He was back, he had three stores now, and I was like, oh no, Monty, I don't want to see you, you know. Please no. Yeah, so so that really um I guess extinguished the urge to be uh gambling on the asset.

SPEAKER_03 16:09

When you were um dealing, did they did they um give you training about how to catch people counting cars and things doing blackjack? Could you tell?

SPEAKER_01 16:18

Well, actually the way they have it is we have uh a thing called a shoe. So um you have uh three sets of cards, maybe more, and you put it into a shoe and then you put a red card in, so you never get all the way to the end of the cards. So um in those days, uh I don't think it was very easy to count cards. All you could really do is you know, you have a slight ratio of there might be a higher draw of a ten or a face card or not. Um but you'd have to play a l awful lot um to m to be to beat the bank. Yeah. You know, um so it's a different system. Yeah, yeah. It was fun. A lot of fun. A great job, I tell you. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 16:58

Yeah. Oh yeah, it's not like being a bartender. You just like all kinds of people. Yeah. Well, you went to graduate school much later. So like what was that like as going back to school after having some some time in the in the world of work?

SPEAKER_01 17:10

Okay, so what I did initially was I went um after college, um because I enjoyed the pub culture. I I took a job up in Liverpool working for the largest beer company in England. What beer company was that? It was called Ally Breweries. So they owned more breweries and more pubs than anybody else. Uh still around? They're still around. Uh is there a beer they make that we might recognize? They uh uh uh probably double diamond long life. Ring a bell for you. I mean, I do like beer, but yeah. Yeah, but they they all got um you know but what they would do is they do a separate beer in the south, separate beer in northwest and so on like that, because they were all regional breeders. And um but uh after three months there, uh you know, I realized that uh as much as Liverpool is um an interesting city, I realized that I did not want to live in Liverpool, the rest and I really wanted to get into marketing in those days. And they said, Well, if you just spend five more years doing this, you can get into marketing. And the job was not bad, but it was going to things like pubs all day long, warehouses, this you know, giving away beer. And I just didn't really everybody who was in the working for Allied Breweries for years, you know, they were either really rotund because they drank so much beer, or they were not drinking beer at all because they were alcoholics. Okay. You know, and so it was kind of interesting that so many of them were, you know, the sales guys were alcoholics and did not drink beer. Yeah. So after that I got a job in um I met these two guys at toy fair. My dad was in the toy business. I met these two guys, and after 15 minutes, they were desperate. So they offered me a job at double the wages I was earning. And so next thing I knew, I'd never been to Germany. I didn't speak any German. Next thing I knew I was in um Nuremberg at the toy fair in uh Germany and ended up living in Munich for three years. And then to back to your question, it was after that I came back to England, I did my MBA initially. And then after my MBA, I did my own toy company for um twenty odd years. And then later in the 2000s, I did my PhD. What was the name of the toy company? So I it was my own company, so it was called um, well, first of all, it was called Garanta Design in England, and there I employed a small team of people to design toys and games. And then when I came to the USA, I got smart. So I just hired every I called it Wyman Associates, but I just hired everybody as independent contractors, okay, like you do today. Yeah. Much, much cheaper, much more, you know. Um in the old days, if I made some money and I went away on holiday, if you're if the boss is gone, uh work is done.

SPEAKER_02 20:20

Is there is there a toy that your company made that we might recognize?

SPEAKER_01 20:24

Uh the most successful toy we did was a game called Thirteen Dead and Drive. Yeah, ring the bell for me. No, but no, I need to go play it. It's it's still on the market. Okay. Um can you get it in the US? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. Yeah, it's um so I designed this when I first got to the USA. It's uh a murder mystery uh where you have uh poor old Anne Hagatha passes away and she leaves all her money to one of her twelve heirs, and then uh that person has to escape the mansion, but everybody else is trying to knock that person off. And so and when that person gets knocked off, you turn over another card, put on the fireplace on the little picture frame, and you discover who is the next one to inherit the money. And then everybody tries to knock him or her off. Um and but if you if your picture's on the Faradays and you're able to escape the house, then you get the money and win the game. Huh. And um Is it a long game? I mean, how no, so so actually everything I tried to design, I I learned from like Monopoly. Not I would have loved to design Monopoly, but I learned that you know I hate the idea of three hour games. Yeah, me too. So the game was always over in 30 minutes. Oh yeah. That's my kind of game. Yeah. If I'm gonna do a game. Yeah, so um 30 minutes. All right.

SPEAKER_03 21:37

So when you went to Germany, what was where did you start? Like uh uh you know, you didn't set out to be a toy designer, so like what did they start you on?

SPEAKER_01 21:45

Oh yeah, so they asked me to be um so what they were doing was they need the reason they were willing to hire me was they needed somebody who could read English because all the new game inventions, the vast majority came either from uh America England or Israel. And so they desperately needed somebody who was really conversant in English, you know, to be able to figure out what to do. So that was my job. And then uh I guess I was blessed with a bit of luck in that I knew what was a good game or not a good game. And you know, like our sales went up by twenty-five percent all three years that I was there. And so they kept offering more money, and so I kept staying on longer. You know, and I I loved it. My my boss was a incredible German playboy who would um you know who was just fascinating to work for. You know, later on, um I would go he would go sailing for six weeks every year. Just turn off in those days you didn't have phones or anything like that. Just totally displayed. Check out just check out of the world. And his idea was to us was hey, when I'm gone sailing, I trust you to make all the good decisions. Wow. You know, and that was that. And don't make a lot. And don't make any decision that I wouldn't make. And don't make and if it's any major decision, it can always wait.

SPEAKER_02 22:56

Wow. That's incredible. Well we're gonna uh bring us uh to the present and uh ask you about a current pastime or hobby or activity that uh you right now enjoy regularly and how it first started.

SPEAKER_01 23:11

Well my um uh I'm a golf nut, is uh you know, so I play a lot of golf. Um I belong to uh What's your favorite course that you played on? The favorite course ever uh would be one in Scotland Um Royal uh Dornock. Okay. Which is up in it's one of the most northern courses in all of Scotland, and it was um it's very historical, absolutely gorgeous. Um I actually didn't play very well that day, so it actually tells you how good the course is. Wow. That you know you can play moderately poorly and still have a fantastic time. And do they play any the open championship uh there ever? No, they don't because of it's so rural and so it's so difficult to get to, and there's they're building a new hotel there and they're building another course. I think they might have already done that. But originally it was just such a small town thing, but it's a very famous, it's one of the top ten courses in the world. Okay. How'd you get into golf? Um I started playing golf basically my last year in England, and so there was uh in England there was a public golf course in a place called Ealing, and it had nine holes and was kinda they had crisscross fairways. So if you hit your ball because it would crisscross a fairway, somebody else would steal your ball all the time. And then you always had to duck in case you got hit by other people's balls. And um and so I I had that I somehow just became a passion. And I when I came to the States, I belonged to a small golf course in Connecticut and then I joined a core a club in um you know, obviously in every other place I ever lived, you know, after that, you know, in Colorado and then San Diego. I belonged to a fantastic place.

SPEAKER_02 24:51

And do you manage to play weekly still? I do, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 24:54

That's great. So I I I always I have a during the summer we have a group that plays, you know. I don't join them every time, but they play Monday, Wednesday, Friday. There's a Saturday group, there's a Sunday group. So I could literally play five days a week if I wanted to. Yeah. Yeah. My back wouldn't give up. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 25:11

Well yeah, golf is is certainly a consuming activity, but despite that, is there still an activity off the clock that you'd like to pursue that you haven't to date?

SPEAKER_01 25:23

Uh I think um, you know, as you get a little bit uh I mean I do golf, I do skiing, but as I um as I get a little bit older, you know, a little bit grayer, um you know, you always think that there's forever left on the clock. And so I think the one thing I would like to do more is travel. Yeah. And and that's not to say that I don't travel. I've been blessed. I've been to went to a college reunion in you know in England this year, been to Australia, I've been to Cabo, been to Napa Valley, things like that.

SPEAKER_02 25:50

But I still think there's so many more places in the world that I've separate you haven't been that you would love to visit.

SPEAKER_01 25:57

Um that's a good question. There's just so many, but maybe Jordan. Okay. Yeah, I think Jordan would be my um until they until they had the recent problems, my sister-in-law um worked in Jordan. And so I was always we were always planning to go there and it just never quite got there. Yeah. But that would be that would be on top of the list, I think.

SPEAKER_03 26:18

So before we get to the lightning round, if you if you weren't here as a faculty member right now, what would you be doing?

SPEAKER_01 26:25

Well, apart from golfing, yeah. Um I I you know, actually funny thing enough is I still um we're keeping our fingers on the in the design field a little bit. Um so me and uh one of my uh uh compatriots in entrepreneurship, we're working on you know, uh we've written a little child's book and we're doing some other things there and doing a game and things like that. So we're still keeping busy uh, you know, really part-time. You know, so we're we're not doing it like straight away. We're just you know we're taking our time and having fun doing it and everything like that.

SPEAKER_03 26:58

So I'd still keep my fingers busy doing have you have you ever taught a class with students about like game design or like what that like does that does that translate into a full class? Or is it a component of any of the classes that you teach at all?

SPEAKER_01 27:13

So you know it's really on interesting. So out of you know, I run this program called Impact X, where everybody designs a new business that um and over all the years so far nobody has ever done uh a game or a toy. Interesting. Which is you know, and I tell them all my experience and everything, but I don't also want to bleed them into hey, you know, this is a good idea. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Um and I did talk to uh one uh outside guy once about doing a toy design course and everything like that. Um maybe, maybe. We'll see. Okay.

SPEAKER_02 27:51

Well, as Chris referred to before, our last segment of the podcast is the lightning round, uh, where we conclude our faculty off-the-clock installments and we ask each guest some important standard questions. Again, about your life off the clock. We do also want to clarify that we know the difference between thunder and lightning, but since this is an audio podcast, we had to settle on the thunder sound effect to cue this portion of the interview. So to begin, what's your favorite carb? My favorite carb. Your favorite carb.

SPEAKER_01 28:21

Uh as I worked at an ice cream store, let's go ice cream. Oh, just like one of our other guests as well. Excellent. I'll take pralines and cream out of the work. Jasmine, do you have a favorite protein? Uh I I love I love a really, really good steak.

SPEAKER_02 28:37

Um but made yourself or eating out?

SPEAKER_01 28:40

Actually, you know, honestly, I'm I really like making my own steaks. No, how do you make them? Make them on the grill or instead of just on the well, you know, I buy um when I want to treat myself because I don't uh because I had some uh you know heart issues or whatever, so I don't want to eat red meat all the time. So I just buy like the once a month the best, you know, dry age New York strew. Nice. Treat yourself, treatment. Treat myself, you know. And then I I I like to keep it fairly bare. You know, I put it on the grill, put a little bit of salt and pepper, and you know a bit of a purist when it comes to the meat. Yeah, I kind of love it. Okay. And got to make sure it's sort of rare, medium rare.

SPEAKER_02 29:16

Okay. All right. Pizza or tacos?

SPEAKER_01 29:19

Uh I'd go with tacos. Do you have a favorite taco place in town? No, I do have a favorite pizza place, so I love it's uh I love La Pizzeria in Mount Pleasant. Just awesome if you haven't been there.

SPEAKER_03 29:33

Yeah, no.

SPEAKER_01 29:34

Gosh, it's a hole in all. Just come across Ravenel Bridge, go up to Coleman Boulevard. It's No, I haven't been there. On the left, yes. It is good. Good. Yep. Solid? All right. You have to keep it in mind.

SPEAKER_03 29:45

Really solid. Good, good, good place. Okay. Uh well, you've so we have a frozen yogurt or ice cream question, but I assume you're more of an ice cream versus frozen yogurt.

SPEAKER_01 29:54

Actually, you know, again, I just try to be health conscious. I would probably eat a yogurt ninety times out of ten.

SPEAKER_02 30:00

Yeah, that makes sense. Mustard or ketchup on a hot dog?

SPEAKER_01 30:04

I would do both.

SPEAKER_02 30:05

Both?

SPEAKER_01 30:06

Yeah, man. Always both, huh? Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 30:08

Is there a type of uh mustard or ketchup that you prefer when you're putting both on your hot dog?

SPEAKER_01 30:13

Oh, I'm just a traditional man, you know. Uh just your regular yellow mustard. American mustard. You know, in England, you know, we have a thing called English mustard. Have you ever had an English mustard?

SPEAKER_03 30:23

Is that like a great coupon or like that sort of mustard? Is it a spicy mustard mustard?

SPEAKER_01 30:28

It's hot. So um I have I like that. I like this.

SPEAKER_02 30:31

I like a mustard with a little bite.

SPEAKER_01 30:33

Well, I had one uncle once in Tennessee who uh and so I he's like to my mom, he says, I really like mustard. And so she had English mustard, and we were and so she just piled on this mustard. He um he had a surprise.

SPEAKER_03 30:49

Uh uh as a side, hush puppies or french fries?

SPEAKER_01 30:53

I would do french fries.

SPEAKER_03 30:56

Do you have a particular kind you like? Like a skinny waffle cut?

SPEAKER_01 31:00

Oh, I l I like uh probably crinkle cut, but I also um I kind of like the Chick-fil-A uh You do, huh? Yeah, all right.

SPEAKER_02 31:09

You have a favorite soft drink?

SPEAKER_01 31:11

Uh favorite soft drink, I would go um you know, Diet Coke, maybe. Okay.

SPEAKER_03 31:19

Well, we have a question here about favorite off-the-clock activity, but you know, in terms of golf, do you have a favorite course that you like regionally?

SPEAKER_01 31:26

Uh regionally I'm a member at Bulls Bay, so if either of you guys play golf or play Bulls Bay. Not me, unfortunately. So um and uh so that's my uh that's my hangout these days.

SPEAKER_02 31:36

Do you have a favorite off-the-clock activity that you like to do alone?

SPEAKER_01 31:41

Um I probably read a lot, you know. Okay. Um and you know, uh I I do enjoy watching sports on TV, and my wife doesn't particularly uh most of the time.

SPEAKER_02 31:53

So you're alone when you do that?

SPEAKER_01 31:55

What uh particular sport you like to watch? Well, I love college football. Um that's great. I also love um you know the obviously the uh English soccer football. And these days you can even get, you know, um England and rugby over here occasionally things like that when they have the World Cup. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 32:12

So do you do you have a favorite team that you follow in the Premier League or lower level?

SPEAKER_01 32:16

Yeah, so I used to go to the Chelsea Games and also when I lived in Munich, I went to the Byron Games. Yeah, and that was pretty awesome.

SPEAKER_03 32:23

Yeah, I bet. Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_01 32:25

Um favorite music band from your youth? Favorite music band from my youth. Well, I was um, you know, I uh from real young, I guess I liked the Beatles, you know, that would be the British invasion. You know, the British invasion. But then later on, I'd kind of liked uh people like say not a band, but you know Gordon Lightfoot. Yeah, people like that. Good stuff.

SPEAKER_02 32:47

Yeah. This is kind of an unfair question to ask during this time of year, particularly given the past several weeks we've had, but do you prefer cold or hot weather?

SPEAKER_01 32:55

Um I would rather take the hot than the cold. So I could l I'd prefer to stay in the south and move really cold north.

SPEAKER_04 33:02

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_03 33:04

Uh barbecue big around here. Do you have a favorite uh sauce, mustard, vinegar, tomato based?

SPEAKER_01 33:11

Uh well, Chris, I've got to be honest. Uh last time I had a barbecue was with Mark. Uh and uh because you know I don't eat a lot of red meat and things like that, although I know it's pork and chicken and things, I don't really do much barbecue. That's fair.

SPEAKER_02 33:26

That's fair. Plane train or automobile?

SPEAKER_01 33:29

Oh, I'd rather go on plane. I like to visit places, journey, you know.

SPEAKER_03 33:34

Okay. Do you have a favorite kind of plane?

SPEAKER_01 33:36

Oh. Um no, not really. I don't you know, people go, oh, I'm going on this, I'm going on that. That would be our family. Yeah. Yeah. We'll tax it. No, no. As long as it gets me there safely, you know. And not too many connections.

SPEAKER_02 33:49

I don't like the real small ones. They tend to be a little too uneasy with turbulence. I don't like that. So the bigger the better.

SPEAKER_03 33:55

They feel faster. Uh toothpaste tube dispensing method?

SPEAKER_01 34:02

Oh, I think I'm probably just traditional. You know, I just squeeze out of the middle and then a scientific appearance. Finally, someone. Yeah. You know, then if they're in, just squeeze it up in the side. You know, when I was younger, I don't know if you guys were around, they also had those uh toothpaste where you just press on the side of the button and it just fenced up. I don't know whatever happened to that.

SPEAKER_02 34:22

I don't know what that is. Yeah, yeah, I remember those. Yeah, I don't I don't know. I don't know what happened. Popcorn, yes or no?

SPEAKER_01 34:30

Oh, I love popcorn.

SPEAKER_02 34:31

How do you like to prepare? What do you like to put on it?

SPEAKER_01 34:33

Oh, I'm uh so here's a little aside. You know, first time I went to England, back to England as a little kid, you know, I went to a theater and I ordered popcorn and uh and I went, ugh. And it turns out it had sugar on it. Oh and it's you didn't like that, huh? No, I did not. I was expecting salt. Yeah, when you're expecting something, right? That's a bit of a and and so it was really it was interesting because English, you know, we put sugar or salt. So you have to it's sort of like American coffee, you know. How do you want it? You know, do you want a sugar or salt? And so, but I'm definitely a salt guy, not a sugar guy.

SPEAKER_02 35:07

Do you make it at home? All the time, yeah. How do you make it at home? What what do you use to prepare the pot?

SPEAKER_01 35:11

Oh, we we have um just a little there's a little plastic thing, I can't remember its name, a little red plastic thing, and you just put some oil in and then you put in the microwave. Okay. But you know, so you're taking orval, read and backer, or whatever type of popcorn seeds, you know, and put that in there and do it. So it's not in the bag or anything like that.

SPEAKER_02 35:29

That's your go-to every time. That's your mechanism for making popcorn.

SPEAKER_01 35:32

Oh yeah, I mean I love that. I love it. It's good for you. All right, good stuff.

SPEAKER_03 35:36

Okay. So uh before we close, if if if we are going to an event about you, uh an entrance song. You're a celebrity. You're a celebrity. It's Dr.

SPEAKER_02 35:43

Wyman. Here he goes. He's walking out. He's walking out. I mean, they got his his newest toy that he has designed, and this is the big reveal, and here you are, and what is your entrance song?

SPEAKER_01 35:54

Uh you know, I I haven't thought about it, but I would I would love uh I'm not really a big fan, but maybe something crazy like a Metallica song or something like that. I like that enter San You know We gotta do it, make it a lot of it.

SPEAKER_03 36:14

Well, Dr. Bartman, thanks so much for sharing today about your time off the clock and for giving listeners an alternate glimpse into your life outside the classroom. We really appreciate it. And as a personalized marketing tool, we'll ask you to display in your office to bring attention to the podcast. We'll soon be presenting with you to you a bobblehead to present your lighter side as revealed to us today. So thank you. Awesome guys. Stay tuned for next month's installment when we learn more about the life off the clock of another college.